My section on Permanent Hair Reduction is the largest and most comprehensive information base in the world. The Q&A section is 100% original content drawn
from decades of experience, not copied from some manufacturer's website.
For this reason, Reef is regarded even by our competitors as a leading authority.
The information is added to frequently to keep it current and relevant to you as a potential consumer, and is designed to help you make an informed decision.
To save longwinded explanations and duplication of info, questions about IPL also apply to PTF unless it specifically states otherwise. If you still have
questions, please feel free to call.
I am based at the Rockhampton clinic and my direct number is 07 4926 7778. If I'm in with a
client and you get the machine, please leave a message and I'll call you back.
Have a brilliant day, Andrew Thompson,
Managing Director, Reef Beauty
1 APRIL 2012:
I've included this in the FAQ section for the sake of urgency.
Apparently there is a mobile operator claiming to work for a company (I won't
name it here) with 30 branches in Brisbane (this is definitely a lie), who are performing treatments once a month in Central Queensland.
I became aware of the problem through clients of mine whose
friends were left with third degree burns. To date there
have been five cases in Biloela, three in Gladstone, one in
Blackwater, and two in
Emerald, and these are only the ones I've heard about.
It definitely is not normal to be left with third degree burns
after a Hair Removal treatment. To put that statement in perspective,
a Reef therapist gave
a lady a small blister burn the size of a pea in 2007 at our Mt Gravatt store
in Brisbane.
It was superficial and healed in three days. In the 125,000 treatments
at our 9 branches that we performed since, we have not caused so
much as a minor blister, and in our entire history, have never
caused a third degree burn.
The notion that eleven major
burns in one month is 'normal' is absolutely ridiculous.
The operator is dodgy, untrained, and dangerous - There is no
other possible explanation.
 Ideally yes, as you will find it more
comfortable to shave in the shower than for us
to dry shave you in the treatment room.
It also lessens the amount of time you'll
spend on the table, and allows us to keep our
prices affordable.
Something to be wary of when shopping around
for pulsed light treatments are machines that
require you to shave 2 to 7 days before the
treatment.
Without naming brands, such machines are low
powered and rely on visible hair to channel
the light to the root, which tends to "sizzle"
the hair above the skin. Ouch.
This is another difference between old and new
pulsed light units.
NO - DEFINITELY NOT!!
Hair removal creams are keratinocytes, ie they
kill keratin cells. Keratin is the substance
in hair that makes it solid. By dissolving
the keratin, the hair becomes goo and wipes
off.
Unfortunately, keratin is also the substance
that makes skin solid. Hair removal creams
destroy keratin indiscriminately, which means
your skin is left extremely vulnerable.
Skin in this state means that a pulsed light
treatment can have an anomalous result. It
could cause pigment marks, skin burns,
blisters etc, and for that reason we won't
perform a treatment.
If you've used hair removal creams or sprays,
we need you to wait a minimum of one month
before your treatment.
No, this is a myth invented by mothers long
ago to stop their teenage daughters shaving
their legs.
Hair growth is driven by hormones and
nutrients at a cellular level, not by cutting
off hair above the skin that is already dead.

The optimal space between treatments is
28-35 days for all body areas. Facial hair
can be treated every 14 days as it grows much
faster than hair on the rest of the body.
It is important that you keep to this schedule
as closely as possible for two reasons:
- Most people have a 6 month hair growth
cycle. 6 treatments in 6 months capture the
greatest amount of hairs as they pass through
the vital early-anagen phase of hair growth.
- Regular appointments help your therapist
measure the efficacy of the last and earlier
treatments, so they can determine the best
energy/filter settings for the next treatment.
This depends on many things, including your
age, hormonal activity in your body, ancestry,
medications or medical conditions. Essentially
there are two types of hair that grow on the
body (not counting the scalp). These are body
hair which is generally thinner and softer,
and pubic hair which is more coarse. Body
hair usually responds faster to treatment than
pubic hair.
Lower legs, arms, lower backs, and bums are
generally body hair. Genitalia, faces, chests
and stomachs, and inner thighs are generally
pubic hair. Underarms, upper backs and
shoulders, upper legs, and bum creases can be
a mix of the two.
What we recommend to new clients is to
accept that they will need 6-8 treatments for
body hair, and 6-10 for pubic hair. At that
point, around 80-90% of people walk away happy
with the result, while others elect to have
more treatments.
Facial hair is usually the most resilient,
and can take upwards of 20 treatments.
Andrew's rant on the subject
"I say this to every new PTF client I
treat: Don't think you will be the
exception - Everyone needs a minimum of
six treatments. It's common for people to
notice after say four treatments that no
hair is growing when it's time for their
next treatment. Subsequently, people who
don't take advice well ring and postpone
their treatment. This is a HUGE mistake,
because next month they ring back claiming
that their hair has grown back with a
vengeance. It hasn't grown back - This is
the month's hair that we didn't treat
because the client jumped a treatment.
Remember that we are treating hair bulbs
that you can't even see, not the hair
above your skin that is already dead. No
matter who you are, you need at least six
treatments spaced consistently, so we can
cover the whole six month growth cycle."
No, that is generally the business practice of
businesses that are desperate. We have a great reputation and it's hard
to cope with our record growth as it is. Our
profits are slim enough to satisfy the
majority of our clients without us having to
compromise the quality of our services.
We can think of several better questions to
ask:
- What corners are discount places cutting in
order to sell so cheaply?
- Why do they need to sell at a loss to
attract customers?
- Will they still be in business to provide
said services once they have your money?
Andrew's rant on the subject
"I'm left speechless that so-called IPL
Specialists have taken part in these
'daily voucher' or 'buy now deals' or
whatever label they're using today. Even
more amazingly, laser clinics have now
jumped on the bandwagon with two
Sydney-based chains operating in Brisbane
now involved in a price war, and that
terrifies me. Laser - That's really
dangerous stuff to do on the cheap, but
they do it anyway. It's no wonder the
incidence of horror stories about burns
and dodgy treatments has skyrocketed in
the last six months. But it's not just the
operators to blame - It's the idiots
buying into these deals. I marvel that
supposedly sane consumers would let
someone loose on their bodies to perform a
paramedical treatment as though it was a
shop-a-docket deal. Sure, deal sites have
their place, but encouraging the
discounting of potentially dangerous
treatments should not be one of them. This
isn't a pedicure we're talking about. The
term "Permanent Hair Reduction" should
give even the thickest person a clue that
these treatments need to be taken
seriously. They are paying someone to
PERMANENTLY ALTER THEIR BODY, and the
question has to be asked if these are the
same idiots who buy cheap Viagra online.
I'm waiting to see the first discount deal
for cut-price vasectomies or boob jobs,
and then how many people buy them. The
ridiculous irony is that Reef is busier
than ever while these cut-price places are
going broke. These dodgy practices are a
perfect example of why I distance Reef
from the beauty industry."
Because Hair Removal is 90% of what we do, and our machines don't sit
around gathering dust. At your local beauty
salon, they do lots of other services just to
keep their staff busy.
There isn't much
profit in those services but at least they cover wages
and rent.
Therefore salons need to charge a premium for specialised
treatments like IPL in order
to turn a profit.
At Reef, Hair Removal
is our normal product, not an add-on
treatment, so our running costs are lower and
hence, our prices are more affordable.
Consistent quality and reputation allow us to
work that way.
Also factored into our costing is that we
don't rent fancy shopfronts or waste money on
heaps of advertising, which inevitably the
client has to pay for.
 It isn't painful. Actually, it's really quite
boring. If you've ever been waxed, it's
nothing by comparison. Clients often say that
it's like being flicked with a warm rubber
band.
We stopped using that term in 2009 as everyone
started copying us, regardless of the
equipment they were using.
We now refer to our treatments by their
precise name, PTF, to distinguish our machines
from inferior equipment.
Yes it is. We use several brands of machines
and all are listed on the TGA register. They
are also approved by FDA (US) and CE (Europe).
That's a good question given the huge influx
of suspect "IPL" machines coming into
Australia.
But first some legal mumbo jumbo you should
get your head around. As well as being an
abbreviation for 'Intense Pulsed Light'
technology, the term "IPL" is also a
registered trademark of Lumenis Israel
(1994?), which is the issue at the core of so
many terms being used for the same underlying
science.
 Over the years, other manufacturers began
using the term and for whatever reason,
Lumenis didn't stop them, which in itself
voided their claim to the trademark.
The same thing would happen to Reef if we
didn't diligently enforce the protection of
our registered trademarks "Body Sync" the name
of our company, "Serious Hair Removal" our
slogan, and "Angel Beach" our range of natural
skin care products.
So let us be clear from the outset, despite
the fact that we do own a couple of Lumenis
machines, we use the term IPL as an
abbreviation for Intense Pulsed Light
technology, not to attach ourselves to that
brand.
In our stable of IPL machines we also have
Palomar, Luminex, GSD, Hua Mei, and Chromolite
products. Like everyone else in the world, we
simply call them IPL machines.
OK, now back to the stuff that matters.
All the various terms are similar in that they
are based on Intense Pulsed Light, some with a
few tweaks and twiddles. At the end of the
day, it comes down to power output, filters,
skin types, understanding of the science, and
experience. Remember that a machine, no
matter what brand, is only as good as the
person using it.
We use several brands of IPL machines, plus an
advanced variation on IPL called PTF. Our
machines are very powerful and the latest
technology. In terms of safety, accuracy and
results, our machines are leaps and bounds
ahead of older IPL units and their painful
predecessor, laser.
We're independent and have the freedom to pick
from the best technologies in the world, and
we do. It's as simple as that.
If you would like to know more about Pulsed Light, its variations,
and the underlying science, the link below from my
anatomy site explains it more comprehensively. The link will
open in a new window/tab.
Andrew's Place | Understanding Pulsed Light Hair Removal
 Yes, I really get asked this question a lot.
Succinctly, the answer is when she
turns sixteen.
Not very effective at all.
Despite various manufacturers' promises, low
melanin equals low results. Some
manufacturers make grandiose claims but when
we push them for the science to explain how
their amazing technology works, they come up
blank.
Our commercial machines are large and bulky
for a reason. They contain a massive power
compressor to generate enough energy (joules)
to actually kill the hair root.
They produce
so much energy in fact, that the power cords
need to be replaced every month.
A 12V transformer or a couple of AA batteries
doesn't quite cut it. The most powerful
cutesy we reviewed has a whopping 2.5J of
energy. Our PTF
machines pump out 65J.
Cheap machines are however capable of
stripping melanine from your hair and once
it's gone, you can't get it back. This may
render you unable to receive a real pulsed
light treatment.
Despite a huge amount of misleading
advertising around the ridges, no business is
accredited by Queensland Health for pulsed
light treatments. There is no such thing.
Queensland Health only issues accreditation
for laser, not pulsed light, as laser
equipment emits radiation. We don't like
laser equipment and we don't use it.
We won't take part in the misinformation war.
We have a good reputation and that's all that
matters to us.
 The author of the blog has no idea what
they're talking about. We hear clients bring
this subject up daily which only compounds our
frustration with the government for not
regulating the hair removal industry.
First, be aware of one thing - There is no
such thing as permanent hair
removal. That expression implies
absolute removal of every hair in the treated
area for the rest of your life. No one can
promise that.
Laser, IPL, electrolysis - whatever technology
you choose, is referred to by all professional
operators in the hair removal industry as
permanent hair
reduction.
The reason for this distinction is obviously a
legal one and has nothing to do with one
technology versus another. More info next
paragraph.
No. Around 1 in 500 people treated will see
little or no effect. Scientists generally
concede that they only know about 5% of how
the body functions, and at this stage, the
reasons behind this small percentage of
ineffective treatments remain a mystery.
This is also why no reputable business will
guarantee results or use the term 'permanent
hair removal'. In fact, a Perth salon was
sued a number of years ago for doing just
that.
Some may say that they guarantee results,
claiming that their magical technology is
better than everyone else's, but read the
terms and conditions and then read the super
fine print.
You will find somewhere in the contract a
clause such as "Bear in mind you will require
top up treatments once or twice a year to
maintain the results of your treatments.
In other words, they won't guarantee results.
It simply cannot be done, and anyone who
guarantees results or makes claims of absolute
permanence has no idea of the technology they
are using or how the human body works.
In real terms, you could expect as a minimum
result, a vast reduction in visible dark
hairs. This may present or appear to present
as absolute hair removal from the treated
area, but as mentioned above, we are not
allowed to make such claims.
The end result depends on your suitability
to treatment, how many treatments you opt to
have, and how regularly you space your
treatments.
A pleasant side effect of IPL is that the
technology uses specific wavelengths of light
that stimulates cell renewal, increasing
collagen production and smoothing the
appearance of your skin.
If you are thinking of coming to us for hair
removal treatments and collagen or pigment
treatments in the same area, get the hair
removal out of the way first and you may find
that you don't need the other treatments.
This proves to be the case a lot especially
with faces and arms.
 There are two common responses during the
weeks that follow a treatment, and we hark
back to the inability of science to explain
many of the wonders of the human body. We've
thought about it a lot though, and both
responses seem to be just as good as each
other. Let's look at two hypothetical
clients, Bob and Mary.
Bob has his treatment and over the weeks that
follow, the hair in the treated area simply
stops growing. Even when his next treatment
comes around, there still isn't much there.
Our theory on this response is that Bob's hair
enjoys a particularly long anagen period,
which keeps most of the hair shaft quite
moist. Instead of just destroying the hair
bulb during the treatment, we dissolved the
shaft as well. Bob's body absorbs whatever
proteins remain and the rest of the debris
simply joins the lymphatic flow and passes out
of the body unnoticed in his urine.
Mary on the other hand, finds that her hair
keeps growing normally as though she didn't
have a treatment at all, BUT at about the 3
week mark, something "miraculous" happens.
She molts. She wakes up one morning with a
bed full of hair or it sloughs off one day in
the shower. The reason for this 3 week delay
is that every hair shaft has its own muscle,
the arrector pili, which is the muscle that
makes your hair stand on end when it's cold.
The hair is also surrounded by other
connective tissue that holds it firmly in
place. At around 3 weeks, the dead hair, now
disconnected from its nutrient supply and out
of range of the muscle, simply falls out,
leaving nice smooth skin.
Fascinating stuff. If you've heard of any
scientific studies conducted on the subject,
we'd love to hear about it.
Your therapist will be me, Andrew Thompson. If you have issues with having a male therapist, they are
your issues, and I'd prefer you go somewhere else.
Joules equal the number of watts per square
centimetre per second, and the higher the
number of joules, the more energy (in
conjunction with your skin type) we're able to
get down to the target cells.
When a hair is successfully eliminated,
that's the end of it, but when a hair is
targeted and the treatment fails due to
insufficient power, a natural defence process
kicks in. The body realises that its cooling
system is under attack, and strengthens the
hair against later attacks, i.e. further
treatments.
The hair grows thicker, the root grows in
size, and the surrounding tissue tightens its
grip on the hair. Our waxing rooms see the
results of low-joule light treatments every
day.
Andrew's rant on the subject
"A Toowong client has allowed me - in
fact, asked me - to tell her story. Lana
rang one day and said, 'I used to go to
Reef but then I started going to a beauty
salon that had a cheaper special, but I
got no result and I didn't like what was
happening to my body.' She didn't want to
discuss it in great detail over the phone
so I arranged to meet her on my next
Brisbane trip and I looked at the result.
It had been 10 days since her last
treatment at the beauty salon, and to my
horror, she had blisters and pustules on
her labia and anus because the salon
either assessed her skin type incorrectly
or used the wrong filter. The incorrect
setting had also bleached the surrounding
skin. The skin damage still hadn't healed
by the time I assessed her. Lana had
mentioned the burns to them and they told
her 'it was normal and they would go
away'. Lana is 22 years old and part of a
close-knit Indian community, and she was
too embarrassed to see her doctor. I
referred her to my own family doctor
across town who I know to be discreet, but
the damage had been left too long. The
infections are healed but Lana will need
plastic surgery for the scarring which has
left 'chicken pox' indentations. As if
the skin trauma wasn't bad enough, all the
melanin was stripped from her hair because
the joule settings were too low. Result:
Around half of Lana's hair was effectively
removed by our treatments. The remaining
hair which was treated by the beauty salon
is wispy and white. Combined with the
disfigurement and hypopigmentation, her
pubic area looks like that of a woman of
80. Lana has to live with the result and
hope that some new technology comes along
in the future, as no form of light based
hair removal presently on the market will
remove it."
When it comes to air-cooled or liquid-cooled
(some call it crystal), we favour air cooled
machines, simply because they're more efficient.
It's simple science. The target temperature for
permanently disabling a hair bulb is 73 degrees
celsius.
 On a water-cooled machine, the head is
pre-cooled to around 4 degrees. Therefore it has
to generate 69 degrees to achieve the target
result.
Our IPL machines are water cooled, while our PTF
machines are air-cooled.
With PTF, we cool the head manually with special
gel packs to keep it between 15 and 40 degrees -
close to or slightly higher than room temperature.
When the pulsed light flashes on one of our
units, it only has to produce say 40 degrees
variance instead of 69 degrees to achieve the
desired result, making a shot from an PTF machine
up to 70% more effective.
On the flip side of the coin, normal IPL is
a quicker treatment, hence their popularity with
most beauty salons and hair removal centres.
Intense Pulsed Light targets a chemical
compound in the hair called melanin, which
gives hair its dark pigmentation.
Melanin is most prevalent in hair during the
early anagen phase of hair growth (when the
hair root is still "juicy") and hairs in this
stage of growth are most susceptible to
eradication.
Hair grows in different cycles, usually
between 6 and 12 months, and ongoing
treatments are needed to catch each hair as it
passes through this early-anagen stage of
development.
Some hair can lay dormant for long periods or
emerge for the first time as you arrive at a
certain stage of life. We can only kill hair
bulbs that are actively sprouting. For that
reason, you will find that top up treatments
from time to time are beneficial.
Most people don't. Unless your skin type is
Type 5 or 6 - Dark Indian, African, Maori, or
Aboriginal - and assuming that there are no
other contraindications to treatment, we can
perform the treatment on your first visit.
Our equipment utilises the latest filtering
systems which also enables us to treat most
Asian skin types. If your skin is extremely
dark, we may recommend that you try a course
of Active Enzyme Hair Removal treatments
instead.
Factors that could prevent us performing a
light-based treatment include epilepsy, PCOS,
excessive tan (fake or natural) in the area to
be treated, the recent use of Hair Removal
creams & sprays, and the use of products
containing Retinol, Mitomycin, Minocycline,
Doxycycline, Tetracycline, St Johns Wort, and
Accutane.
This is not an exhaustive list, however we
will discuss possible contraindications with
you before the first treatment. Please call
us if you have any doubts or concerns you
would like to discuss.
 Intense Pulsed Light converts light energy
into heat, and it's the heat that destroys the
hair at its root. There are generally no
significant side effects, but we will give you
a detailed information sheet before your
consultation.
After your treatment, you can expect
pinkness or a mild "sunburn like" effect in
the area, but it usually passes quickly. It
isn't real sunburn, only heat permeating back
out through the skin. You can go about your
normal activities after a treatment, but be
sun smart with treated areas and cover up or
use a sunscreen.
Any possible risks to treatment are thoroughly
described during your initial consultation and
you also have the opportunity to ask about
anything that may concern you.
Your Intense Pulsed Light session takes around
the same amount of time as a wax treatment for
the same area.
Allow an extra 15 minutes for your first
treatment, as we need to assess your skin type
and suitability for treatment, and discuss the
procedure with you.
No thorough research has yet been conducted to
establish conclusive results.
Intense Pulsed Light is essentially heat
energy, and general industry consensus
suggests that the effects of Intense Pulsed
Light on sperm is no different to sitting in a
hot bath, which decreases your sperm count for
the short term.
That said however, this is merely an educated
guess, not a stated fact. The choice is yours
alone, and we make no guarantee as to the long
term effects of Intense Pulsed Light on sperm.
Andrew's rant on the subject
"In the absence of any formal research
out there, I self-experimented in 2009. I
had arranged to have a vasectomy just
before Christmas, so I saw this as the
perfect opportunity. Three months prior,
I had a very high sperm count. I fast
tracked a series of 8 Brazilian treatments
on myself on the highest setting on an air
cooled machine, which pumps out the most
power. I spaced the treatments one week
apart instead of the usual month apart.
Immediately following the last treatment,
my living sperm count was around 70% of
the prior test. Two weeks later, it was
105% of the first test, which to me at
least, indicated a temporary reduction in
sperm count then an eventual return to
normal. As far as I am aware, this is the
only sperm count testing ever performed
for this purpose, and it represents only
one person. I should also point out that
I have always had a very high sperm count
(hence the wish for a vasectomy :). It is
not intended to convince you one way or
the other, and as stated above, the
decision to receive a Men's Brazilian
treatment is yours alone and should not be
taken lightly if you intend to have
children one day."
That's because they're thoroughly trained in
using our equipment and you're not.
It's very common in some Asian countries and
even some clinics here in Australia to
disregard safety protocols when it comes to
skin types and filters. We don't.
You cannot fight your biology, and we have
zero tolerance for pushy clients who try to
threaten, guilt, or bribe staff to break the
safety protocols that we've established from
the experience of over 100,000 treatments.

Unfortunately no - You'd be throwing your
money away.
Hair growth during pregnancy is hormonal, and
no amount of treatments, whether through us or
someone else, will make the least difference.
In the case of pregnant clients, we recommend
waxing until the end of term.
Our policy in general is not to treat pregnant
clients with pulsed light. While there is no
scientific evidence to suggest that pulsed
light can harm an unborn child, we prefer not
to take the risk, especially in view of the
fact that a treatment would serve little
purpose.
Pilonidal sinus is most prevalent in men and
usually takes the form of massive localised
swelling around the sacrum. It is an
extremely painful condition requiring surgery,
and unfortunately, it often recurs. After
excision, the surgeon will usually recommend
that hair from the area be removed to reduce
the risk of another pilonidal sinus forming.
IPL will progressively reduce hair growth in
the area and is generally regarded as the best
method for achieving the desired result. We
do not recommend depilatory creams, waxing,
plucking, sugaring, or electrolysis for
combating pilonidal sinus.
Yes, if you tell us when you book. For
various reasons, people often combine waxing
with IPL and we've set up special rooms and
procedures to accommodate this type of
treatment.
This is a really painful topic, and I swear I get asked every day.
Mackay, Emerald, Toowoomba, Gladstone,
Bundaberg, Townsville, Sunshine Coast, and
Cairns are the common ones. And more
branches in Brisbane and Gold Coast of course.
Basically, just pick a spot on the map.
Honestly, I would love to have dozens of
branches throughout Queensland but the problem
is simply that no one is looking for work.
I've tried very very hard to find staff but
good people who are willing to work are few
and far between.
Two years ago, I had
eleven branches, predominantly in Brisbane and
Gold Coast. I ended up having to close
every southern branch except one, simply
because there were no beauty therapists to
work in them. I had good stores in good
locations, and a good client base at each, but
no therapists to do the treatments. That
very painful period of shutting down good
businesses was stressful beyond words, so
naturally I'm wary about opening new stores.
I have not given up on expansion though,
and I see regional centres in Queensland and
New South Wales as the next step when the
workforce situation improves. I am
hoping to find an additional therapist to
replace me in Rockhampton in the not too
distant future, which will at least allow me
to start operating a mobile service to various
towns and cities in the Central Queensland
region.
As a last resort, I may also
look at franchising at some point, but nothing
concrete yet.
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